Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Steph C on Tue May 19, 2009 11:14 pm

You guys are saying that it is easier to connect with people of the same "frequency." It makes sense on the physical or emotional level, but consider it from the nonlocal domain. Telepathy is selective? I agree with what everyone has said about the essence energy exchange known to have occured between twins or siblings and even with animals...? But in the nonlocal domain, isn't it just our high selves? OUr higher selves that are completely unbiased and simply observe? Then how does it choose which essence it wants to recieve? ok i guess it doesn't choose but it's pretty mind blowing that two (or more?) particular essences generally connect better.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Angel on Tue May 19, 2009 11:30 pm

The interconnectivity we feel when our beings and souls are entwined with those of others, I believe, definitely is a result of the interrelatedness of our beings. We are all immersed into nature, a vast realm of unending possibilities and unknown boundaries when we connect with the Higher Being, and therefore can connect on a higher level with the beings of other individuals who have reached the exact same levels of peacefulness – and attained the same enlightenment and sense of serenity – as we have. I also do think that telepathy, this intricate connection between beings and souls, is connected in some way to the “behavioral influence” that results from spending too much time, or a lot of time, together with friends or family members. Like Fermin, I am also very close to my sibling (my sister Annie) and thus know what it feels like when he mentions the seeming “predictability” that we have with each other. This “developed skill” (I say “developed” because it results from spending a long time building an intimate relationship with the person) is indeed so powerful that I find it relates – again – to the art of prediction, as mentioned in my earlier post. I find that sometimes just by saying a little, rather than expressing my entire thought, opinion, or comment, my sister can automatically finish my words for me. And sometimes it even turns into a little relay. I say a little, and she completes my thought by saying only a little; I then complete her response by saying only a little, and she immediately grasps my idea, the thought I am trying to communicate to her. I am quite certain that this interconnectivity has something to do with spending an enormous amount of time together, as Fermin mentioned. But which one does interconnectivity “belong” or respond to, really? I am beginning to think that it is a bit of both (the connection and unity of essences, and behavioral influence), actually. Or, perhaps, one leads to the other, meaning, one comes before the other! (This is not always the case, of course). If one is in constant contact with another person, his or her being/essence will gradually connect with the being/essence of the other person. Familiarity also clarifies reasoning in the mind here, I think. So does the interconnectivity in the soul have anything to do with the processes undergone in the mind? Perhaps the mind analyzes specific thought patters and categorizes them according to tone, attitude, sound, or anything that is responsive to the senses, thus allowing the being to detect this information. No matter at what level, I think the being is still connected (somewhat) to the mind, that the two are never fully “detached” and away from each other – they do help each other and aid each other in the search within the depth of whatever is being examined or recognized.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  joyceychen on Wed May 20, 2009 12:44 am

first off, i said i wasnt really going to follow this topic, but here i am again. curiousity killed the cat? anyhoo, i'll probably be just replying to certain points, being highly selective in what i read, so forgive me if what i mention has already been discussed or something.

Annie Fu wrote:in response to joyce's question & shawanne's response:

you know how there are some ppl in the world that naturally have a discerning stare or how some people are really good at body language reading? like the ppl who just knows when to stay away from someone @ a particular time vs those who can't take a hint? perhaps the ppl who just INSTINCTIVELY know the appropriate behavior @ a particular time are those that r better connected to the nonlocal domain. Actually, wait - not better connected, but are MORE AWARE of the connection to the nonlocal domain, and therefore becomes more aware of the subtle differential frequencies that the ppl around by in the quantum domain. By being aware of the subtle changes in the frequencies and vibrations, one would be more aware of the physical domain as well, and thus be able to better "read" people.

you use the word "instinctively." wasnt instinct a term we (at least in 10B) thought of when we were discussing the "aboriginal self"? i kind of forgot whether the aboriginal self then later was equivalated to our individual beings (someone please clarify for me? thanks) so then is this an instinct, to be able to "read" people? but then, as you mentioned, there are those who are great at this and people who, quite seriously, suck at it. why is this so? some people have developed more instinctual senses than others? or just simply one person is not able to understand the various frequencies and vibrations as well as another because of..their egomind?

and i really like stephc's reply. really nice Smile
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Annie Fu on Wed May 20, 2009 12:47 am

Jason

what exactly do you define as "telepathy" then? That thing that television and movies dramatize? How come that "knowing someone so well" isn't considered a connection for you? And whoever told you that telepathy is for sure? Who said telepathy MUST require meditation? If you're that close to that person, you would've been used to tuning in to the same frequency that that person operates on, and more practice results in greater skill. And whoever said telepathy HAS to freak someone out?
I think the "telepathy" that you're so eager to disprove is slightly different from the type that we're talking about here. Try reading more into transcendentalism. Perhaps you'll understand why we have such "in-depth" and "thinking too hard" discussions.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Fermin Liu on Wed May 20, 2009 7:04 pm

Hi guys!
Once again, thank you all for the great, lengthy responses (especially Vicky, which is a good thing and a compliment without any hint of sarcasm Laughing )! Very Happy In seeing where you guys are going with my topic of telepathy, I would like to propose another question for you guys to think about: Annie, Vicky, and many others said that freewill cannot ultimately stand in the way of telepathy, that we can connect with everyone's essence on the nonlocal domain of oneness no matter what, but then Annie wrote something else that caught my eye...

perhaps free will allows you to change your energy frequencies/vibrations so you're basically changing other ppl's perception of you. however, freewill cannot delete the connection between you and everything else because w/o this connection we're not connected to the source of life and everythig - wouldn't we become nonexistent then?

Reading this quote, it gives me the feeling that the ego-mind comes into play in the practice of telepathy and connectin with essence as well. Thus, according to this answer, does that mean that we can manipulate the essence others feel when using meditation upon us, or is the essence always the same (the truth) no matter how much we try to shut ourselves from the rest of the world and no matter how much we try to hide what we are actually thinking?

@ Jason

I know that it seems that telepathy is such an extraordinary ability that is supposed to be scary and people who possess it should be locked away for good. But when thinking about how there are really no secrets on the nonlocal level of interconnectivity, telepathy simply becomes a proof of the interconnectedness amongst everything as energy. Thus, telepathy is not really such a great power of reading people's minds and manipultaing their thoughts (as seen in Heroes , a tv series about people with genetically altered DNA that gives them extraordinary abilities); it is rather just an intuition or that gut feeling that you have when you are sure about something, like what people are going to say or how they are going to react. Based on this less threatening definition of 'telepathy', what do you now feel about telepathy?

@ Everyone

For further discussion on the topic of telepathy, think about this quote I received as a response to my question on another forum:

If anything, I can see telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality.


What does this mean to each of you guys? Very Happy

To read the whole post by this person Phi, please go to

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20831

Have fun! Very Happy
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Vicky on Wed May 20, 2009 8:11 pm

Haha. Thanks, Fermin, for the reassurance and…compliment! J I think everyone’s doing a fabulous job tackling your questions! Razz

Anyway, back on topic...

Thus, according to this answer, does that mean that we can manipulate the essence others feel when using meditation upon us, or is the essence always the same (the truth) no matter how much we try to shut ourselves from the rest of the world and no matter how much we try to hide what we are actually thinking?


First off, I don’t think that we can “manipulate” our essence. Manipulation is a folly action assumed by the ego mind to gain control over the individual. The essence does not need manipulation to convey its message – it does not need a method to make the individual believe. It, itself, is belief. It is a Universal Truth. As a result, you cannot manipulate truth. Truth is Truth – it is what it is – indisputable in nature. Therefore, when others engage in meditation, they will see our unique Truth. It is the truth of our existence, which cannot be altered. Think, if the “truth” or “rudiments” or your existence were changed in anyway, you wouldn’t be you! Therefore, an individual’s essence is always the same. However, what Annie said about freewill being able to change our energies/frequencies to give others a different perception of you, I think that only applies to things that manifest in the physical domain. We can attract “better” or “more positive” frequencies into our bundle of energy in order to have better items or events to take place in our lives tangibly. This, as a result, can alter the way others perceive. Yet, on the Essence level, I don’t think we can change or manipulate it so it can “look better” to others. And I believe that everyone’s essence is beautiful – it embodies a divine truth that should not be required to be “reformed” in a certain way to suit other people. Therefore, why should we try to hide what we are thinking? (At the essence level. At the ego mind level, that’s a whole other story Surprised ) Like what Ms. Kay said in class, “Get over yourself! The existence of your essence is to share its ideas with everyone else!”

If anything, I can see telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality.


What is reality? Is it the nonlocal domain, or is it the physical domain? Furthermore, it seems like what this person means by “telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality” is that we become more connected with people around us, and therefore, more in sync with our “reality?” Anyway, how I would interpret this idea is that telepathy can indeed promote the connection between an individual with “reality. ” What I mean by reality here is the Universal essence – becoming aware of the flow of energies between all things. Telepathy, then, in a way, is not as “magical” as it sounds. It is merely the quieting down of the ego mind and the listening to the murmurs of objects around us. Thus, yes, when we perform telepathy – that is, shut down our ego minds and just listen – we are being more in touch with “reality” or “essence.” We are more synchronized. We are at one.

As for Steph’s question...

But in the nonlocal domain, isn't it just our high selves? OUr higher selves that are completely unbiased and simply observe? Then how does it choose which essence it wants to recieve? ok i guess it doesn't choose but it's pretty mind blowing that two (or more?) particular essences generally connect better.


I believe that our ego minds are ultimately what decide which “essence to receive.” Our Higher Selves are open to the exchange of essence between all entities. However, it is our ego minds that decide whether they want to “let down their guard” and genuinely listen. The reason why two “close” essences can connect more easily it because their ego minds are more “acquainted” with each other. They, therefore, do not judge as quickly about the other’s thoughts. This “lowering of defenses” allows both individual’s essences to slip through more easily through the other’s ego mind, and manifest themselves within the other’s mind. Yepp. Very Happy
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  ivy on Wed May 20, 2009 9:05 pm

So, Vicky's response is pretty much a recap Very Happy
I agree that you cannot manipulate your essence. Essence is your being, and you cannot manipulate yourself into something else. Another thing that i agree with is the manipulation is simply a derivative of the driven ego mind, because it is the ego mind that tries to manipulate the self into deceiving the essence. However, our essence is not to be altered by the ego mind, because it is of a higher level. The essence is the ability to pull the self out from all the ego mind driven forces and to see clearly. The essence cannot be manipulated into something it isn't.

If anything, I can see telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality.

I don't see which reality that this quote is directing to, either to the superficial reality or to the universal being. I suppose it is most likely to the reality of the universal being, because that is where the collective conscious lies, which is where everything is related to. When we are being in tuned with the universal being, then it is more likely that our essences are paced at similar frequency thus causing telepathy to occur. However, when it is the superficial reality, how do we define telepathy? As in how one gets in contact with another simply through the mind, or a being that has the ability to perceive information and take notice of the world?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  shawanne on Wed May 20, 2009 9:19 pm

I believe that our ego minds are ultimately what decide which “essence to receive.” Our Higher Selves are open to the exchange of essence between all entities. However, it is our ego minds that decide whether they want to “let down their guard” and genuinely listen. The reason why two “close” essences can connect more easily it because their ego minds are more “acquainted” with each other. They, therefore, do not judge as quickly about the other’s thoughts. This “lowering of defenses” allows both individual’s essences to slip through more easily through the other’s ego mind, and manifest themselves within the other’s mind. Yepp. Very Happy

:O. But couldn't the essence dominate the ego mind at times when it's quiet since our beings are higher up than the ego mind? Or is what you're saying just limited to the times when we are 'going about our daily lives' and using the ego mind more often? So assuming that's true, people with more training in connecting with their essence would be able to use telepathy more than others. [...Did I already say this before? It feels like it o.o]
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  joannneee on Wed May 20, 2009 9:32 pm

Wow, this topic is really inspiring - to me, at least. It's like a vacuum cleaner: you don't want to get sucked in, but you end up doing so anyway. xD

(Starting from the beginning)

"If anything, I can see telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality." <-- He/She really just got the whole thing about Essence. His interpretation of reality may be different from ours (I'd say it's more like our Essence?) but he/she sees that telepathy is really an action on the non-local domain.

This reminds me: about telepathy in terms of body language, can emotions also be a kind of telepathy? Our emotions reflect on our expressions and body language - this is why we can tell whether or not a person is confident in his or her stride or gait. So this leads me to this: can telepathy be the communicating of emotions? Sometimes an emotion on another person can be almost tangible, and we are affected by it when we take in the actions, words, tone, and expressions of the person. When we see a person that's sad, we feel their sadness by bouncing off their sadness with our own emotions. It's kind of like two force fields meeting - one blue and one red. The red one encounters the blue one, and kind of surrounds it, and accommodates it. We're technically trying to understand what the other person's essence is saying.

But then, there's the other pov - it could be that it's our ego-minds that dominate telepathy. Since we can predict the paths of other people and their "modes of action", then wouldn't it be non-spontaneous?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Vicky on Wed May 20, 2009 9:53 pm

Hi Shawanne!

Well, what I was referring to in the previous post is when people who are not very familiar with each other want to read each other’s thoughts. Emerson said, “Once a second person enters, hypocrisy takes place.” Thus, obviously, when both people are meditating at the same time, letting their ego minds vanish and connecting with the being, then of course they are able to perceive each other’s thoughts more easily. However, I was talking about trying to read each other’s thoughts in daily life – not during meditation. The ego mind is still present when we don’t try to quiet it down by cleansing our thoughts. So it would be easier to “see” a person’s thoughts if we are more affiliated with them – their ego minds, so their guards aren’t up as high. Hopefully, I’ve cleared up what I meant. Very Happy
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  shawanne on Wed May 20, 2009 9:58 pm

Well, what I was referring to in the previous post is when people who are not very familiar with each other want to read each other’s thoughts. Emerson said, “Once a second person enters, hypocrisy takes place.” Thus, obviously, when both people are meditating at the same time, letting their ego minds vanish and connecting with the being, then of course they are able to perceive each other’s thoughts more easily. However, I was talking about trying to read each other’s thoughts in daily life – not during meditation. The ego mind is still present when we don’t try to quiet it down by cleansing our thoughts. So it would be easier to “see” a person’s thoughts if we are more affiliated with them – their ego minds, so their guards aren’t up as high. Hopefully, I’ve cleared up what I meant. Very Happy

Oh. Oops, maybe I took it in the wrong direction a little. xD. Thanks for clearing it up~
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Hannah Park on Wed May 20, 2009 10:06 pm

@ Joanne

Well, in response to your question...where does emotions come from, the ego mind, the being or both? If both, which is more dominant? At first glance, I was thinking that the being doesn't have emotions, emotions are just what the mind labels those feeling one feels in particular situations. But that doens't really make sense, because some emotions such as joy seems to come from somewhere more deep within.

But the point I'm trying to reach is that since telepathy is comunicating in the nonlocal domain, can certain emotions be conveyed through even if it is generated from the ego mind? And by empathizing with others (there's this great Jodi Pilcout style book called "Before the Storm" about empathy Surprised ), are we just reflecting what we see in body languages or actually connecting with the person at a deeper level? Which brings me to question: is sadness a product of the ego mind, or the being?

I don't think that telepathy can predict the path of other people, just what the person is feeling or thinking at the time. We can use that information to assume what the person might do next, but assumptions usually turn out wrong. And the reason assumptions are wrong is because of the unpredictable sponeitinousity of the human nature. What a Face
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Angela on Wed May 20, 2009 11:05 pm

perhaps free will allows you to change your energy frequencies/vibrations so you're basically changing other ppl's perception of you. however, freewill cannot delete the connection between you and everything else because w/o this connection we're not connected to the source of life and everythig - wouldn't we become nonexistent then?

Frewill cannot delete the connecction between you and everything else….this relates to my last post, which I don’t know if anyone saw. BUT....i pretty much agree with this idea. Our Beings are filled with unlimited potential, and the bond that it forms with the Universal Being is what allows us to spontaneously create and take action. This leads back to the question of whether freewill can get in the way of telepathy. As I said before, I think nopee. Freewill is something voluntary, but I believe that our spontaneous intuition is able to trasncend the limits set by freewill. We may not be able to control our essenences - what essence to feel and what kinds of energy frequencies that we want to intermingle with - but our ego minds are controlable. All we have to do is to develop an awareness and step out of the ego mind. Because afterall, if we step out of the ego mind and into the intangible world of the Being, then we have entered a world where unlimited possibilities may happen and we are allowed to experience a oneness with all the that the UNiversal Being has to offer.

If anything, I can see telepathy as a representation of being better in tune with reality.

There are different ways to approach this idea. I immidiently think of better being in tune with reality due to us opening ourselves up the channel of intuition and seeing the world as it really is – not with our ego minds dominating and persuading ourselves that the illusion created by the ego mind is true reality. It is just like what Emerson said about being ‘transparent eyeballs.’ We are able to freely see the outer world and allow the outer world to see into us. Perhaps it is this free-flow of energy and spontaneous chemistry that happens in the process that allow us to be who were really are…and also where unlimited potential may be brought out. It is dealing with the higher domain, the domain that really is because it is what made the foundation that everything is set on. It is from this “down to earth” life source where pure potential exists and where we proceed proceed and proceed into the quantum domain.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Steph C on Wed May 20, 2009 11:29 pm

Our Higher Selves are open to the exchange of essence between all entities. However, it is our ego minds that decide whether they want to “let down their guard” and genuinely listen. The reason why two “close” essences can connect more easily it because their ego minds are more “acquainted” with each other. They, therefore, do not judge as quickly about the other’s thoughts.

I think I overlooked the fact that our beings are really powerless without our ego minds and that a person is ideally a healthy balance between the two. Therefore, the interaction of essence in the nonlocal domain is also influenced by happenings with he ego-mind. The familiarity of people is the result of the ego-mind, which sets the stage for essence interaction. Thanks for clearing that up Vicky and Shawanne =)

This reminds me: about telepathy in terms of body language, can emotions also be a kind of telepathy? Our emotions reflect on our expressions and body language - this is why we can tell whether or not a person is confident in his or her stride or gait. So this leads me to this: can telepathy be the communicating of emotions? Sometimes an emotion on another person can be almost tangible, and we are affected by it when we take in the actions, words, tone, and expressions of the person. When we see a person that's sad, we feel their sadness by bouncing off their sadness with our own emotions. It's kind of like two force fields meeting - one blue and one red. The red one encounters the blue one, and kind of surrounds it, and accommodates it.

To Joanne, I think there is a distinction to be made between the physical manifestations of an emotion and the actual interaction of the essence. I'm not so sure body language can be considered telepathy. Fermin/Wikipedia defines it: "telepathy describes the purported transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the five classical senses." So when someone fidgets out of anxiety or something we are picking up these cues with our eyeballs. But I totally agree that in addition to the fidgeting, essence is given off and interacts as you say the two force fields do. In the Mind, Matter, Spirit packet (I think..) it was mentioned that sometimes tension in a room was so thick that a knife could cut through it, and I'm sure we have all experienced situations comparable to that feeling. Please point it out if I am being too black and white.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Annie Fu on Thu May 21, 2009 12:34 am

Hmm thinking is a job for the mind, right? Since that is what it's designed to do for us. And free will is possible as long as one chooses to think - wouldn't that mean free will is an action of the mind? And telepathy is deeper than the physical domain - it reaches deep into the nonlocal domain. Perhaps that is why free will cannot block telepathy because that is essentially like science trying to analyze essece?

So to clarify, everyone essentially possesses the ability of telepathy, correct? However our ego-minds are like the gatekeepers to the gate where we may fully receive messages from the universal being - the spontaneous thoughts and intuitions? And the more we are acquainted with a person, the more our ego-minds will relax the barriers and receive the information?

Healthy balance, I like that phrasing Smile Both are important, right? We cannot neglect the mind just because a part of it is detrimental when in overdrive (the egomind). The mind helps us cope with the physical world - it receives instructions from the nonlocal domain and translates it into a language that we can understand. It can also tell us to take action based on that instruction, which would be allowing the essence to permeate and to work through our Beings.

Doesn't that indicate that both mind and spirit take a part in telepathy, then? (this was probably established earlier, but just saying for clarification). Well, then, why couldn't the five senses, which are as much a part of us as our essence, be a tool with which we can use to help interpret the "atmosphere" around the room? From another direction of thought, since we're all connected at a deeper level (nonlocal) and we're actually one with everything all at once and thus then be experiencing everything all at once... could the mind be a tool that helps us filter out certain parts of this universal experience that we all share so that we may better concentrate on one part of this universal experience at a particular moment? Our minds could be evolved to help us do that - or else wouldn't we be constantly overwhelmed by feeling the entirety of the collective potential? So it would be the mind that selects what is felt and perceived at a particular time, and not the essence. Then the things htat we perceive with our physical senses could be one of the triggers for a particular part of this universal experience? So our physical senses actually participate in this process of "telepathy"? (haha just an idea, what do you guys think?)

I think someone asked before, "how can we be sure what we're receiving is what another person is thinking?" That requires a great amount of faith upon one's instinct - but is faith all that is required?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Philly_CS on Thu May 21, 2009 12:56 am

Philly_CS wrote:SYNTHESIS - sorry to Rosa, but I have to pull in Fermin's topic of telepathy. This is how telepathy works. We find ourselves connecting to other people because they are within us, and we 'feel' them. Notice how when you 'feel' people (not by vibe or atmosphere, like, you just know and feel that guy) it doesn't come from external sources like sight, smell, touch, or anything. It comes from within you. At least it happens to me. It is a feeling you can't describe. You just FEEL him/her, as if you're his mind (in a way, you are).

This is just an instantaneous - or should I say, spontaneous - synthesis while at Rosa's Topic of higher being and physical domain. To answer your question, Fermin - since I'm tired and can't be bothered to read any more than 2 pages of responses - telepathy is possible. How is it not, since we're all connected to each other? To be honest, the collective unconscious isn't something that's away from us. It IS us. It is that tension you get when you visit a testing room, it is that hyperactive-ness when you go to a dance event, it is that feeling you get when Ms. Kay says 'Bradley,' 'Andy,' 'Hannah,' or just about any other name. What I'm trying to address here - or rather, address to myself - is that collective unconscious isn't this thing that floats above earth or float around somewhere, because that collective unconsciousness is us, it is us.

Okay, here's is where I get deeper down the rabbit hole. We are not separate. I know you've heard this, but we are not 'connected and separate,' we are JUST connected. Why? Because separation is what the ego mind, or rather, our five sense, can perceive. We can't see the gaps in time to perceive everything as non-local domain. So, really, it's just the ego mind that restricts us from our telepathic, future telling, superhuman powers. Really, that's all there is to it (I think). Too often have I seen people going around saying 'fml.' Guess what? With that kind of attitude, it is really going to be 'fml.' If you viewed the situation as 'I am going to own this s--t,' well, guess what? You will. Just like the Secret says, it really works. Why? Because it's all in the ego mind, really, or rather, its restriction on our non-local domain being.

Okay, so I'm done with this post. I'm going to go and try to make myself fly. Maybe if I believe in it enough...
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Angel on Thu May 21, 2009 1:00 am

The important role that the ego-mind plays in directing the human soul and inner being is continuously stressed, I find, when we come into contact with other individuals. Although we do not always necessarily “connect” with others emotionally on a high level, we do express our opinions and ideas to each other, and it is through this simplistic and direct form of communication that we often detect the true inner emotions and feelings of others. Are we allowing our Higher Selves to be open to the “exchange of essence between all entities” through this process of communication, then? I think this makes sense; however, I also think that it depends partially on the level that our ego-minds are willing to communicate. The ego-mind is very self-centered, rapid in processing (although not always uniform in its procedure), and instantly impatient to classify and label. These traits define and determine whether or not the mind is willing to take part in transacting with the emotions and feelings of others. That being said, it would not be surprising if ego-minds were to repel each other (we already reached the point of acknowledging that some ego-minds do “spend a lot of time with each other” and thus are familiar with each other, and are at peace with each other) either completely or not entirely. The ego-mind will always affect our manners of viewing others (is this the source from which prejudices against others, or certain stereotypical thoughts, spring from?) and will “collaborate” with the being when deciding to approach others boldly (thus connecting partly, if not wholly, with others’ essences), to shrink away/run away and hide the identity of the individual – perhaps in physical, mental, and emotional terms – or to act either harshly or icily towards other bodies by neglecting them and firing at them (rejecting them).

I don’t know if we can put a halt to the seemingly merciless force of the ego-mind. If we learn how to focus and bar the ever-chattering ego-mind from entering the peaceful realm of the being, are we not ultimately shutting out the negative effects of the ego-mind? And if we are doing precisely that, why then is it that the ego-mind still plays such a significant role in defining relationships between individuals and entities? If we have the capability of gradually disabling the ego-mind and its dominant nature – and the distress it brings about, too – why can our essences not connect or communicate through a channel that is built solely by the beings?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Fermin Liu on Thu May 21, 2009 6:38 pm

Once again, guys, great work! Smile

With all that we've said about telepathy being the exchange of energy and connecting to the Universal Being which includes the essence of everything and everyone, telepathy doesn't seem so magical or miraculous to me anymore. Laughing Now, I think of telepathy as the most natural thing in the world. I'm sure most of you think so too. Thus with this short introduction and recap, today's question is: Why is telepathy the most natural thing in the world? Very Happy

Dig deep! Very Happy

Also, think about Angel's extremely insightful questions...

If we learn how to focus and bar the ever-chattering ego-mind from entering the peaceful realm of the being, are we not ultimately shutting out the negative effects of the ego-mind? And if we are doing precisely that, why then is it that the ego-mind still plays such a significant role in defining relationships between individuals and entities? If we have the capability of gradually disabling the ego-mind and its dominant nature – and the distress it brings about, too – why can our essences not connect or communicate through a channel that is built solely by the beings?

@ Angela

Great critical thinking, Angela! Very Happy I read everyone of your posts, and I'm sure everyone else did too. Laughing
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Vicky on Thu May 21, 2009 8:00 pm

And if we are doing precisely that, why then is it that the ego-mind still plays such a significant role in defining relationships between individuals and entities?


I think that the ego mind takes a significant role in superficial relationships. That is, relationships between people who do not really try to understand the other person, who judges the other’s thoughts and appearances based on their predisposed stereotype. This is superficial, as both individuals are trying to “figure the other out” that they don’t attempt, or don’t want to attempt, to understand or listen to the other. However, between individuals who are genuinely close and who are willing to let their ego minds vanish in the other’s presence, their beings are what are connecting them, defining their relationship. The relationship that the ego mind establishes with other people requires conversation. This is because the ego mind doesn’t have a connection with the other person’s ego mind – it is too self-absorbed. Even if it tried, it wouldn’t be able to for a true relationship with another person – its motives are almost never cordial – they either involve the thirst for control over the other, or the longing to gain benefits for being seen with the other. On the other hand, people who are connected on the being level do not need to communicate. Through listening and noticing the exchange of each other’s energies, and therefore, thoughts, two people are able to comprehend each other’s thoughts. And this is exactly what we have established as the definition of telepathy.

If we have the capability of gradually disabling the ego-mind and its dominant nature – and the distress it brings about, too – why can our essences not connect or communicate through a channel that is built solely by the beings?


I believe that our essences can communicate through a channel. The reason why we are unable to do so is because we are usually contaminated by our ego minds. Take children, for example, who have not yet been exposed to the toxic elements of society. They are fueled by curiosity and passion – which is clearly a trait of the essence. The children are excited to explore new things – they do not judge initially, but take in. They respond to everything in wonder, in amusement. They are expressing their essences! On the other hand, people whose minds have long been under the influence of societal values have a layer of oily trash on their minds. And this “oily layer” cannot be easily cleansed. The individual must be very determined to accomplish the task. That is why it is hard for people to rediscover our passion and enthusiasm after mingling in society for so long! And that is exactly what is preventing our essences from “connecting” or “communicating” on the tangible level. In the nonlocal domain, our essences are communicating with each other. Our ego minds just don’t let this interaction be shown in the physical world.

And finally, to Annie’s questions!

From another direction of thought, since we're all connected at a deeper level (nonlocal) and we're actually one with everything all at once and thus then be experiencing everything all at once... could the mind be a tool that helps us filter out certain parts of this universal experience that we all share so that we may better concentrate on one part of this universal experience at a particular moment?


I agree with you that the mind is a tool that helps us filter out certain parts of the universal experience. As I’ve mentioned in Proey’s discussion last week, I think it is our minds that make us unique individuals. Not our ego minds, but rather our “pure minds” – which is a tool that we use to “classify” things. I think our “pure minds” are each special because they have different filters – they have different ways of classifying things. That explains the difference in our perspectives. The universal truth is the same throughout. Yet, it appears to manifest differently from one individual to the next. Why? Because each mind “interprets” or “classifies” the truth differently. Some may feel like one part of the truth holds more significance than the other, and will decide, therefore, to focus on that part of the truth more.
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  shawanne on Thu May 21, 2009 8:35 pm

This is just an instantaneous - or should I say, spontaneous - synthesis while at Rosa's Topic of higher being and physical domain. To answer your question, Fermin - since I'm tired and can't be bothered to read any more than 2 pages of responses - telepathy is possible. How is it not, since we're all connected to each other? To be honest, the collective unconscious isn't something that's away from us. It IS us. It is that tension you get when you visit a testing room, it is that hyperactive-ness when you go to a dance event, it is that feeling you get when Ms. Kay says 'Bradley,' 'Andy,' 'Hannah,' or just about any other name. What I'm trying to address here - or rather, address to myself - is that collective unconscious isn't this thing that floats above earth or float around somewhere, because that collective unconsciousness is us, it is us.

Okay, here's is where I get deeper down the rabbit hole. We are not separate. I know you've heard this, but we are not 'connected and separate,' we are JUST connected. Why? Because separation is what the ego mind, or rather, our five sense, can perceive. We can't see the gaps in time to perceive everything as non-local domain. So, really, it's just the ego mind that restricts us from our telepathic, future telling, superhuman powers. Really, that's all there is to it (I think). Too often have I seen people going around saying 'fml.' Guess what? With that kind of attitude, it is really going to be 'fml.' If you viewed the situation as 'I am going to own this s--t,' well, guess what? You will. Just like the Secret says, it really works. Why? Because it's all in the ego mind, really, or rather, its restriction on our non-local domain being.

Which means that as long as we want it to, the power of telepathy would manifest itself in us and we'd be able to do whatever we want with our brains--telekinesis, clairvoyance, stuff like that. Hmm. The ego mind is the only thing that's restricting our free connection [like the rules restricting what could be said with classical structure in poetry? ;D], yes, but what about the whole emotional connection factor, or is that just something that indirectly influences interhuman connection? I mean like, yeah, if you go around saying fml all the time you'd attract more of that bad crap, but can the people around you influence what you're thinking just by 'shifting the mood' [basically by way of telepathy...ish]?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  ivy on Thu May 21, 2009 9:50 pm

shawanne wrote:but can the people around you influence what you're thinking just by 'shifting the mood' [basically by way of telepathy...ish]?

hmmm. i think that's an interesting thing that you have pointed out. Our moods can easily be influenced by another person, right? just like the phrase happiness is contagious. In a sense, it is like telepathy, because we are communicating with out mood and behavior. However, just as the discussion we had about Phil's feelings of music and the one question that Lee expressed his opinions about, the mood shift doesn't work every time. Sometimes happiness is contagious, but when you are in a depressed mood, the shift does not work if the happiness only pushes you over the edge.
Which brings me to another question, is telepathy selective? For example, if i seriously despise, say, Steven, then is telepathy even possible between the two of us? So maybe we have a similar frequency, but if there is a mutual dislike, will telepathy still be possible?
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Hannah Park on Thu May 21, 2009 10:03 pm

[quote="ivyWhich brings me to another question, is telepathy selective? For example, if i seriously despise, say, Steven, then is telepathy even possible between the two of us? So maybe we have a similar frequency, but if there is a mutual dislike, will telepathy still be possible?[/quote]

Well, If you despise Steven, unconsciously you probably won't want to connect with him at a deeper level, telepathy...I mean you probably despise even talking to him xD Therefore, I think it'll be near impossible to be in connection with his being when your mind, even though your being is connect with his being, is resisting that connection.

@ Vicky
I don't really know what the "pure mind" is. I know the mind is there to classify, but isn't the way you classify reflecting your own previous experiences and upbringing, therefore reflecting the ego mind? Because the ego mind is built upon the past, is it possible to separate the mind from the ego mind...is it possible to classify without ego getting in the way? Um... I think I messed something up above, but I don't get it so... help?? lol! (<-- is that Goku?? O_o)
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  shawanne on Thu May 21, 2009 10:24 pm

lol! (<-- is that Goku?? O_o)

Um, yeah. XD

][quote="ivyWhich brings me to another question, is telepathy selective? For example, if i seriously despise, say, Steven, then is telepathy even possible between the two of us? So maybe we have a similar frequency, but if there is a mutual dislike, will telepathy still be possible?

Well, If you despise Steven, unconsciously you probably won't want to connect with him at a deeper level, telepathy...I mean you probably despise even talking to him xD Therefore, I think it'll be near impossible to be in connection with his being when your mind, even though your being is connect with his being, is resisting that connection.

Hmm. I suppose that's correct...so that would be like a kind of 'I hate you! -blocks thought-" kind of thing? XD. Like, whenever you come into contact with that person, your mind would automatically become hostile and shut itself off to connection with that person. O.o. Much as like what has been mentioned before, the automatic feeling of awkwardness upon entering a tense atmosphere in a room. So...does hate/dislike conduct anything in particular/does it have anything to do with telepathy? o______o
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Andy.S on Thu May 21, 2009 10:29 pm

I don't really know what the "pure mind" is. I know the mind is there to classify, but isn't the way you classify reflecting your own previous experiences and upbringing, therefore reflecting the ego mind? Because the ego mind is built upon the past, is it possible to separate the mind from the ego mind...is it possible to classify without ego getting in the way?

True, the egomind is indeed built upon the past but not exactly a "part" of our mind. The purpose of the egomind is to "improve" ourselves through a daily basis of checkups. But as the surrondings influence you, your mind also becomes altered to the point it becomes "negative". The mind is all about survival, so these egomind reactions are meant to keep us alive by generating "triggers". It becomes negative soley upon our external influences! For an example, have you ever realized that the egomind voice sounds almost exactly like your mother or father? Their will for top grades has sunken deep into the mind, manifesting as part of you. Why? because we are all connected and so we tend to recieve and give a bit of ourselves to everything around us. (Interaction within a system)
To get back into answering the question...
Right now we have both mind and egomind because we are still having problems. If we take away the grade rank system, we think we are happy but the egomind frame goes to another problem and on and on...It is when we feel the Supreme Essence that we realize the problems are not problems at all and therefore wipe out the egomind AND daily superficial problems. Imagine the world like that ! xD
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Re: Telepathy: An Infinite Potential of the Universal Being or A Delusion of the Ego-Mind

Post  Vicky on Thu May 21, 2009 10:33 pm

HELLO YAE RIM PARK! Haha!

Okay, anyway, the “pure mind” is the mind that hasn’t been contaminated. It is the mind that we are born with to classify things. It is, therefore, a beginner’s mind, if you will. The pure mind is able to take things in without bias, yet, it still possesses certain uniqueness. I’d like to think the “pure mind” as our individualistic filter – our personality. Since our beings are interconnected – they are all part of a greater truth – I think they express all the universal truths. Yet, how come everyone has unique ways of looking at things? This is when the “pure mind” or “your mind” comes in with your special personality. However, “your mind” is unable to look at things purely only it’s been contaminated by societal values, which causes the ego mind to emerge and suppress “your mind.” Yep. If that was unclear, feel free to ask!

P.S. who's Goku? Some anime character? tongue
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